I’m guessing we won’t see any retractions from people who said the plaid is a “one trick pony”.

I wonder how much better it could do with better brakes.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

I’m guessing we won’t see any retractions from people who said the plaid is a “one trick pony”.

I wonder how much better it could do with better brakes.

The fact the Caddy was within .30 seconds of a car that ET's 2 seconds quicker and traps nearly 30mph higher sort of confirms the Tesla is a one trick pony. The Tesla had to be putting BUS lengths on the competition every time track straightened out only to lose nearly all of that in the corners.

But the Cadillac was the slowest in the quarter mile. So you have to pick your poison. Actually the Tesla is a 2 trick pony, it averages a 100mpg equivalent..

Originally Posted by Stevenh

The fact the Caddy was within .30 seconds of a car that ET's 2 seconds quicker and traps nearly 30mph higher sort of confirms the Tesla is a one trick pony. The Tesla had to be putting BUS lengths on the competition every time track straightened out only to lose nearly all of that in the corners.

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Originally Posted by Stevenh

The fact the Caddy was within .30 seconds of a car that ET's 2 seconds quicker and traps nearly 30mph higher sort of confirms the Tesla is a one trick pony. The Tesla had to be putting BUS lengths on the competition every time track straightened out only to lose nearly all of that in the corners.

bus lengths??? You clearly didn’t watch the video before commenting.

Tesla is a heavier car with inferior brakes so it will not turn better than a lighter car with better brakes.

Originally Posted by bmwsport

But the Cadillac was the slowest in the quarter mile. So you have to pick your poison. Actually the Tesla is a 2 trick pony, it averages a 100mpg equivalent..

By virtue of traction. On the track at speed, the Caddy is quicker than the M5 and that is the bad boy M5 CS we are talking about. We aren't giving Cadillac enough credit.

Originally Posted by bmwsport

But the Cadillac was the slowest in the quarter mile. So you have to pick your poison. Actually the Tesla is a 2 trick pony, it averages a 100mpg equivalent..

Better crash safety than any gasoline car too, 3 trick, keep adding them up

So this is going to be an excuse thread, ok gotcha.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

bus lengths??? You clearly didn’t watch the video before commenting.

Tesla is a heavier car with inferior brakes so it will not turn better than a lighter car with better brakes.

You're right... 25+ mph trap difference is more like train lengths. Brakes have nothing to do with the speed that can be maintained in a corner. You need to be on the brakes (much) earlier but you can still maintain the same speed through a corner as you would have with a great set of brakes. Think of it this way: What do you think that Tesla's lap time would have looked like if it could only match the M5 and Caddy's acceleration in the straights? Peak speeds in the straights + average speed data through corners would be very telling.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

So this is going to be an excuse thread, ok gotcha.

The whole reason the cars are shown lapping at the same time is for you to understand where they pick up or lose speed. A laptime alone doesn't tell you that.

My point was, while the car does put bus lengths at the drag strip, when I watched the race track video it was more like car lengths that were lost and made up throughout the laps between the cars. The Tesla deserves credit for the competition it’s hanging with, win or lose. In this case win because of, I agree, the power difference. I would like to see what a tuned m5 would do, my choice.

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20mph faster down the front straight... that alone is worth .3 seconds. I missed that the Caddi is a manual. Even more impressive! The auto may have been all it needed to beat the Tesla.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Better crash safety than any gasoline car too, 3 trick, keep adding them up

You're wrong

Model S: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...hatchback/2017

5 series: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...oor-sedan/2017

Originally Posted by bmwsport

But the Cadillac was the slowest in the quarter mile. So you have to pick your poison. Actually the Tesla is a 2 trick pony, it averages a 100mpg equivalent..

The plaid burns 1 kwh every 4 hours so in 30 miles it uses up 7.5kwh. Where I am in cali I paid .28c/kwh last month so 30 miles costs a tesla driver around $5.40 or around the cost of the unnecessarily overpriced gallon of gas so no its not 100mpg its 30 and thats with massive subsidies in favor of EV. Throw in the fact that most energy generated for your homes comes from a form of combustion and 66% of the energy made at the plant is lost, theres actually LESS c02 released by most gas cars than by EV.

Also gas has 100 times the energy density of any battery and about 20-30 times the specific energy of a battery. Ever wonder why formula E weighs as much as an F1 car with a fraction of the power? On top of that back emf means the faster the EV motor spins the more current it has working against it from the motor which is why teslas lose like half their torque after 80mph. I can keep going but a lot of this EV talk ignores massive downsides that are all facts.

Woah! Got me!, I’m sure that will help someone who’s buying a 2017…
5 series is a safe car which is great, it’s a great car. Both the model s and the 5 series cars in the latest model years are considered superior by iihs.org.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Woah! Got me!, I’m sure that will help someone who’s buying a 2017…
5 series is a safe car which is great, it’s a great car. Both the model s and the 5 series cars in the latest model years are considered superior by iihs.org.

Lol its the same car they dont retest when its the same car there is no crash test for 2021 only a test on the accident mitigation test. The fact is the 5 series is the safer car, even has a higher roof strength. In the small overlap test, you end up with a brake rotor in the tesla footwell, not good. Thats not even mentioning the massive bomb below your feet that is the battery cell. I live in the bay area and have personally seen at least 2 model s' on fire for hours. Im just saying "better crash test than any gasoline car" isnt even close to correct.

Originally Posted by Covfefe

Lol its the same car they dont retest when its the same car there is no crash test for 2021 only a test on the accident mitigation test. The fact is the 5 series is the safer car, even has a higher roof strength. In the small overlap test, you end up with a brake rotor in the tesla footwell, not good. Thats not even mentioning the massive bomb below your feet that is the battery cell. I live in the bay area and have personally seen at least 2 model s' on fire for hours. Im just saying "better crash test than any gasoline car" isnt even close to correct.

You used iihs.org as your source and they rate the model s as Superior. I don’t care what you think about different elements of the crash test. You’re post where you don’t know how to do basic math and where you spout ev myths that the EPA discredits tells me em enough about you.

And fires are not exclusive to EVs, in fact gasoline cars have been having fires since their damn inception. Such a troll.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna995836