Those guys are also in Colorado at 5,280ft so the TRX is down some. But the R1T is significantly faster regardless.

-Rich

Originally Posted by richpike

Those guys are also in Colorado at 5,280ft so the TRX is down some. But the R1T is significantly faster regardless.

-Rich

Would like to see a sea level 1/4 mile.

Regardless, the TRX can easily be modded. The Rivian can not.

Still, I think I prefer the Rivian as how much faster does a truck need to be?

Motor Trend measured the R1T [email protected], they measured the TRX [email protected]

5886 pounds for the R1T and 6439 TRX

The Rivian sure looked good appearance wise beside the TRX.

Originally Posted by F16HTON

5886 pounds for the R1T and 6439 TRX

7143 for the R1T.

I REALLY like the R1T. The right size, cool look, $#@! ton of power.

Originally Posted by I6+TT=FTW

I REALLY like the R1T. The right size, cool look, $#@! ton of power.

It’s really well thought out too. Love the gear tunnel, four motors (ideal for off roading), big (but multiple) displays (I’m not a fan of a single large display in the middle), etc. I also agree - the size is perfect. Too many trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. This is a great middle ground between something like an F150 and a Ranger.

The only things I don’t like - no Apple CarPlay/Android Auto (why would you take all that on yourself - use the tech that is already there from Apple and Google), they’ve got to figure out charging (relying on others for chargers is going to be painful) and I’m struggling on interior colors. I’ve reserved black right now, but really wish it had some aluminum trim or something to lighten it up a bit.

-Rich

im all for EV trucks but i would also need something better to tow. No matter which i'd pick out of these two i'd probably still would need a big boy diesel.

Originally Posted by spectacula

im all for EV trucks but i would also need something better to tow. No matter which i'd pick out of these two i'd probably still would need a big boy diesel.

It will do 11,000 pounds but who knows how long the battery lasts.

I'm surprised nobody makes a trailer that is just one big flat extended battery for towing.

Originally Posted by richpike

I also agree - the size is perfect. Too many trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. This is a great middle ground between something like an F150 and a Ranger.

Agree with this as well.

Really like the truck but want the extended battery...

Originally Posted by Sticky

It will do 11,000 pounds but who knows how long the battery lasts.

I'm surprised nobody makes a trailer that is just one big flat extended battery for towing.

They’re actually developing a number of campers that have battery packs in them (and driven wheels). Helps extend the range while towing (because the trailer helps drive itself) and also provides a nice battery for off the grid camping. Pretty sweet idea.

-Rich

Here’s the “eStream” - it’s an electric camper by Airstream.

https://www.airstream.com/estream/

-Rich

Why not have an optional fully system integrated generator that could be setup Into the bed to be used when towing long distance to extend the range back to normal range.

While it would pollute a generator working at a constant speed wouldn’t pollute nearly as much as an internal combustion engine revving high to pull the load.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Why not have an optional fully system integrated generator that could be setup Into the bed to be used when towing long distance to extend the range back to normal range.

While it would pollute a generator working at a constant speed wouldn’t pollute nearly as much as an internal combustion engine revving high to pull the load.

Depending on the drag of the generator, it could also be turned by the wheels of the towed trailer. May be a way to capture even more regenerative energy.

Similar (but different LOL) - Rivian is working on a battery that can be put in the gear tunnel to also extend range.

-Rich

Originally Posted by F16HTON

Depending on the drag of the generator, it could also be turned by the wheels of the towed trailer. May be a way to capture even more regenerative energy.

i was meaning a generator that runs on gasoline or e85 or CNG, whatever, so there wouldn’t be any drivetrain drag only additional weight but honestly if you are towing it’s not necessarily bad to have extra weight in the truck because it will make towing large loads more stable.

i agree that car makers should be looking at any and all ways to regenerate energy instead of just wasting it to the brake pads. That is the entire point of the new 48v starter motor architecture going into different cars, I think sticky did an article on it. It makes so much sense for ALL cars and trucks to have, regen the braking power and reuse the power for extra low end torque (which consumes the most fuel)

Originally Posted by Sticky

It will do 11,000 pounds but who knows how long the battery lasts.

I'm surprised nobody makes a trailer that is just one big flat extended battery for towing.

Probably laughably short.

What I care about is in year 4 or 5. Not when it is brand new with zero degradation. How does it perform if it was actually used to tow day in and day out for 5 years? w/ an average DOD down to 20%?

Max tow rating numbers are a magical marketing number. 11,000 pounds of tow capacity sounds nice on paper but there is much more to look at. You need to look at hitch weight, tongue weight, and the rear axle/payload rating of the vehicle. What you are towing, does the trailer have brakes etc?

People literally think an F-150 is a good vehicle for towing for instance. It is fine, and it does depend on what you are towing. But in general no one considers a 150(or similar) a 'good' towing vehicle. It is a half-ton pickup at the end of the day they are called light-duty pickups for a reason.

If you are serious and you need to 'really tow' an electric vehicle is a J O K E. I'm not talking about bringing a bike or a quad to the trail head. I am talking a real trailer, RV 5th wheel, work payloads, etc. Nothing currently beats a HD truck with a Diesel that I have seen.

What about snow removal? Sand trucks etc? Do you think an electric 150 can plow and sand for an entire storm? I got 28 inches coming tomorrow and no EV truck can handle that https://aashtojournal.org/2018/10/19...llustrate-why/

EVs have a place. Currently towing and commercial work is not one of them. They belong in cities where people per mile is high. Things will change, don't get me wrong, but they have a LONG way to go.

Originally Posted by Bowser330

While it would pollute a generator working at a constant speed wouldn’t pollute nearly as much as an internal combustion engine revving high to pull the load.

1) It would be horrific from a marketing perspective and the internet would laugh at them for even proposing such an option.(Even through people would buy it).

2) They would have to partner with someone like Generac and it would not be inexpensive to integrate and would take up a fair amount of space in the bed.

3) What vehicle rev's high often while towing? If you are serious about towing you have a diesel w/ a 5th wheel etc.

Originally Posted by Torgus

Probably laughably short.

What I care about is in year 4 or 5. Not when it is brand new with zero degradation. How does it perform if it was actually used to tow day in and day out for 5 years? w/ an average DOD down to 20%?

Max tow rating numbers are a magical marketing number. 11,000 pounds of tow capacity sounds nice on paper but there is much more to look at. You need to look at hitch weight, tongue weight, and the rear axle/payload rating of the vehicle. What you are towing, does the trailer have brakes etc?

People literally think an F-150 is a good vehicle for towing for instance. It is fine, and it does depend on what you are towing. But in general no one considers a 150(or similar) a 'good' towing vehicle. It is a half-ton pickup at the end of the day they are called light-duty pickups for a reason.

If you are serious and you need to 'really tow' an electric vehicle is a J O K E. I'm not talking about bringing a bike or a quad to the trail head. I am talking a real trailer, RV 5th wheel, work payloads, etc. Nothing currently beats a HD truck with a Diesel that I have seen.

What about snow removal? Sand trucks etc? Do you think an electric 150 can plow and sand for an entire storm? I got 28 inches coming tomorrow and no EV truck can handle that https://aashtojournal.org/2018/10/19...llustrate-why/

EVs have a place. Currently towing and commercial work is not one of them. They belong in cities where people per mile is high. Things will change, don't get me wrong, but they have a LONG way to go.





1) It would be horrific from a marketing perspective and the internet would laugh at them for even proposing such an option.(Even through people would buy it).

2) They would have to partner with someone like Generac and it would not be inexpensive to integrate and would take up a fair amount of space in the bed.

3) What vehicle rev's high often while towing? If you are serious about towing you have a diesel w/ a 5th wheel etc.

Just meant fluctuations in revs consume more fuel than static rpm.

I agree, nothing beats big turbo diesel trucks now for the heavy or long haul stuff.

Ev trucks will need the pie in the sky amazing battery tech we keep hearing about (but never see) to compete and god only know when that will be a market reality. Likely not for long awhile.

One of their employees towed their Mustang cross country and posted the trip on Instagram. They got about 50-60% if the range on average. Which as you said is not doable if you really care about towing. It’s also about impossible to find a charge point and keep the trailer attached. PITA. Without a doubt a diesel full size truck is the best option for anything substantial and/or more than 100miles round trip. But they’ll still sell the heck out of these for folks who don’t care about towing anything major. I just want to put a bike rack on mine

-Rich

Originally Posted by richpike

One of their employees towed their Mustang cross country and posted the trip on Instagram. They got about 50-60% if the range on average. Which as you said is not doable if you really care about towing. It’s also about impossible to find a charge point and keep the trailer attached. PITA. Without a doubt a diesel full size truck is the best option for anything substantial and/or more than 100miles round trip. But they’ll still sell the heck out of these for folks who don’t care about towing anything major. I just want to put a bike rack on mine

-Rich

valid points because 99% of truck owners use their trucks as commuter vehicles and don’t tow a damn thing, ever.

No one ever said ev trucks are the golden solution to every single truck use case, it makes total sense for the 1% of truck owners who really need it and use it to get a turbo diesel (and hopefully big turbo it)

Originally Posted by Bowser330

valid points because 99% of truck owners use their trucks as commuter vehicles and don’t tow a damn thing, ever.

No one ever said ev trucks are the golden solution to every single truck use case, it makes total sense for the 1% of truck owners who really need it and use it to get a turbo diesel (and hopefully big turbo it)

Ding ding ding. The fact that you see so many full size trucks in people's driveways is hilarious. Too long to fit in their garage and they've never needed to tow anything.

Tow ratings mean essentially nothing for a "smaller" truck.